Wednesday, January 18, 2012

The Plight of the Puffy (and some griping)


Ode to the world of medium and all you medium occupants, all you averaged-sized people with your averaged-sized dimensions, with your average needs always accommodated by the average world around you.  I see you, well, the top of your heads mostly.  I see you chipper and upbeat when you enter your favorite outfitter because you know if your pockets are deep enough that every pack, sleeping bag, tent and apparel item will fit you just fine.  I see you stretched out and fast asleep on airplanes as my knees are in my nose and my shoulders are a significant distance above the headrest making even the slightest hope to crane my neck to catch a glimpse of sleep an impossible fantasy.  I see you in wide-eyed enthusiasm in every store you enter because you know, without a shadow of a doubt, anything in the store you desire to be yours will be available in your size in every color it is offered (I get black).  I see you average-sized people who can walk with ease through a ceiling fan store without your heart skipping a beat and don’t even notice doorways which in one colonial home long ago broke my nose.  I see you averaged-sized people joyfully hopping in your car while I feel like a St. Bernard squeaking through a pet door and knowing full well that even the slightest accident will be a major catastrophe to my sausage body undesirably pouring throughout the car.  I see you invisible in a crowd lacking the eyes on the back of your head burning through your brain from those standing behind you whose sightline has been grossly perverted by what is interpreted to be an eclipse by people like me who don’t fit snuggly into your Gap-Abercrombie- medium-world.  I hear your sighs and see your look of hopelessness when I share a pew or bench with you and I am compassionate to your overwhelming fear when your little one strolls a little too far away from your watchful eye as I’m flopping along in my sizeable crushing gates with all the grace I can muster.  I see you. 

And yet for those of you who make clothing for the masses, you rarely see me.  Leaves and fig leaves be damned, but you leave me little alternative.  God watered my feet a little more than yours – it’s not my fault, yet those of us in the member’s only club of being one-size-too-big are treated like the last pretzel at a dinner party which had been fondled by all the party goers, like the two last squares of toilet paper on a nearly naked roll destined to be hastily thrown in the trash.  Yet when dusting on top of the refrigerator is required, when the shelf above your head needs tightening, when the bully would get more encouragement to go home by looking at my chest than directly into your eyes, when you’re picking sides to a basketball game and need someone to rebound your poor attempt at jock-hood…that’s when you call me, that’s when you call us, just to be discarded again once our usefulness is over.  Me and my 52 extra long frame (not just “long”) have no choice but to take my ball and glove and go home.  We do this reluctantly mind you, but we go.  The alternative is that we’d probably eat you if we got fed up enough, but you’d be nothing more than a pile of Calvin Client anorexic medium bones quenching only to those with a medium appetites.  So we go.

So here’s to you, you manufacturers of clothing.  I offer you the one finger salute, the “read-between-the-lines” evaluation of your sizing chart and willingness to deviate from the medium world of mouth-breathers, the clear reflection of you being “number 1” in my book.   I bring you, the PLIGHT OF THE PUFFY!!

(Exiting soapbox stage left…)

So my dear readers, I wanted a hooded down jacket, a puffy, one for everyday use but one which was appropriately designed for my lightweight backpacking lifestyle if desired.  Uberlight would be nice, not a necessity, but closer to lightweight than heavy.  The usual suspects were addressed: Patagonia, Montbell, GoLite, Eddie Bauer and those without even a mild reference to XXL or tall were not (which included everyone else).  With over $1,000 on my credit card to test and hastily ship back those of epic failure before the bill comes due and willing to eat the hefty return fees, I gave trying to find a puffy the best shot I could.  The exercise of buying and returning is a common theme in my house.  Usually by the time I find something that works, I’ve paid for it twice.  Stores don’t have what I need and my birthday suit is likely as unappealing to you as it is to me, and not very warm either.  We’ll call that “Plan B”.

As my wife so eloquently put it, “you look like a woman”.  If I wanted to look like I was wearing my son’s shirt (he’s 4), this would be the one.  Costly, tight and featureless.  Less warm than the cheaper Montbell and poor DWR.  Fail.  Returned (burning would have been more desirable).
 
Likeable, enticing and high quality from a company with a known commodity, proactive environmentalism, and granola-factor.  But, absurdly expensive, too tight, and short pretty much everywhere.  May be a good option for you if you don’t mind spending all of your kids’ college funds. I hope you have short arms though. Fail. Returned.

Best size-offering from Patagonia for us knuckle-draggers.  This is one of Patagonia's staple products that only gets better with each revision, but Patagonia still doesn't offer enough room under the armpit which is more common with European manufacturers than American.  It is heavier than both my New Balance Fugu and BPL Cocoon and not as warm.  A little tight, a little short, and absurdly expensive.  Fail.  Returned...but put in the "maybe" pile when Patagonia has one of their 40% off sales.

By the way, I understand Patagonia offers varying "fits" (relaxed, fitted, etc.).  This has nothing to do with height (i.e. offerings for tall folks) but more along the lines of whether you want their garments to hang on you or be fairly snug.  This is all well and good, but wouldn't the sleeve length remain consistent throughout?  Three Patagonia garments, none of which remotely close to one another when it comes to the same sleeve length in the same size item.  FAIL!

Best weight-to-warmth ratio, a standard in the lightweight backpacking community.  Excellent “lightness” and construction, very economic price in comparison to just about everything else.  But, entirely too tight compromising warmth from compressed loft and not long enough or roomy enough in all dimensions.  Fail.  Returned.  (Old picture without hood of one I current have...same problems, but look at how much more loft there is than the Patagonia Down Sweater...the most puffy of those in this Patagonia comparison....)

Pricey and poor reviews regarding down containment which I can now agree with.  The zipper caught on just about everything and it seemed tighter in the chest than in my midsection which is backwards from how it should be designed.   Long enough, but entirely too tight around my upper ribs and my experience leads me to believe that there isn’t a realistic amount of down throughout (some areas like behind the shoulders are devoid of down entirely).  This wasn’t on par with Patagonia anyway which fit better.  I must say, Eddie Bauer has fallen a long way.  Fail.  Returned.


Roomier than the Microtherm, but guilty of the same poor reviews concerning down containment and once again I could see down floating around but I was a bit distracted by loose threads too.  Equally tight around my upper ribs and entirely too heavy and expensive.  It has a lot more down which was obvious, but not quite what I was looking for as I have quite a few other jackets with more down than a goose factory.  This reminds me of a down jacket I could by at Costco or some other warehouse site where jackets are turned out in mass without much thought to anything other than having two arm holes and a head hole.  Patagonia remains a better option and Eddie Bauer is nothing like it was a couple decades ago when it was the go-to manly-man shop.  Fail.  Returned.


Attractive and from a company that once held a foothold in the lightweight backpacking industry and now offers “good enough” stuff with a heavy dose of inspiring eco-consciousness.  Andrew Skurka didn't complain, so why should I?  I'm guessing you've never heard of this jacket both because it is new and because its price tag is a laughable $375 when in all its full priced glory.  At that price, I sure hope it gets itself up in the middle of night, pees for you, and brings back a glass of warm milk with a cookie.  But, it is made of top notch high end materials which are great for fondling and marketing.  For a $375 jacket, I was shocked to find a couple of things.  First, there is NO hood adjustment.  Instead, it's a well-made hood which I'd say would fit properly on a basketball.  It's just too big towards the back of the head.  If it is singularly meant for those of us who wear helmets, I'd say that this kind of design choice is a terrible one considering there are far more outdoor enthusiasts in every other venue than climbers.  For reference, I wear a 7.5 hat.  If you take a look at the picture above, you can see that I can literally pull the top of the hood down to the bottom of my chin.  Seriously, that's WAY TOO BIG!!!  The baffles on the front and back are in varying sizes which make it look like a Batman costume and  my wife felt it looked like I was wearing a big garbage bag.  Because the larger baffles are on the belly area, it emphasized the very part of my body that I want emphasized the least.  It weighed slightly less than the Patagonia Down Sweater which was appealing especially for such a high quality jacket, but I was absolutely shocked to feel my back shoulder area cold when I went outside on a breezy 40 degree day within seconds of opening the door.  I mean seriously, how often do you say "my back is cold" (me, never, literally until now)?  I suspect this means that the design and insulation in that area must be utterly terrible for that to be even remotely noticeable.  This jacket has a lot going for it though because it is nice in just about every way. Barely roomy enough and long enough arms, a little tight under the armpits.  I compared it to my Montbell UL Down Inner and it was exactly the same size, which wasn't good because I think my Montbell is too tight that it degrades the loft and ends up not warming me up.  Top notch material and manufacturing with great features.  But the con's weighed heavily on me (terrible hood...which is the whole reason I was looking for a hoodie, entirely too expensive, goofy baffles, and cold (?!!?!!) in the back).  So yes, FAIL.  Returned.

If I were you in the world of medium, where of course I'd be eternally happy because the world would be my oyster and about the only thing I'd need to worry about is putting one foot firmly in front of the other without falling down, I think money would be best spent for the warmth, cost and quality of Montbell.  As for me, I guess I'll be wearing what I have and adding a hat.

On on the heels of how nothing seems to fit, there are a few cottage manufacturers out there who dare to roll the dice whether it be for apparel or gear.  These leaders of men make an effort even when it means not catering to their "core market demographic", you know, you medium folks.  These are the amazing few for whom I generally must seek out and solicit.  In honor of one of them, I'll show off a remarkable new bivy in the coming weeks which makes the world of sleeping under a tarp and in poor conditions a bit happier for people who spent a little too much time in their mom's belly like I did.

Now go back to your medium world before I eat you.

UPDATE - February 1st 2012
Unwilling to pay $350 to get a custom jacket, I decided to try one last option - the Mountain Hardwear Nitrous.  I personally love Mountain Hardwear gear and I have no idea why I don't have more of it as normally it is made well and is usually dimensionally bigger than its competitors. I compared it against the GoLite Bitterroot above and found it was lighter (had an ounce less down) but fit better (2" or more wider).  Under the arms was still a little tight and there was still no hood adjustment.  Instead of black, I was able to get green (!!!) which is important when your trail name is Jolly GREEN Giant.  It's made of polyester and not fancy Pertex, but it has received great reviews for its ability to block water and rain.  Likely the other deciding factor was that I got it on sale for $130.  So........the saga is over, for now, and no one will be eaten, for now.

11 comments:

Redwood Outdoors said...

If you had money to blow on testing things you should have given the Nunatak Skaha Plus a try. I would have liked to of known your thoughts on it. I have been using the MB UL Down Inner Parka for the last two or three hiking seasons. It leaks down like cow tank filled with gun shots, but it has been working out ok for me so far.

Hey, would you be up for adding my new website http://hikelighter.com/ to your sidebar listing of websites??

Jolly Green Giant said...

@ Redwood Outdoors -

A couple of thoughts. I have the UL Down Inner and previously owned the Parka version. Neither leaked down on me, but both were just too tight thereby compromising loft. While others found it amazingly warm, I honestly found it to be the coldest insulation I had. If yours is leaking, I can only assume it may be a defect and I'd encourage you to return it.

A couple years ago I had looked hard at the Skaha Plus (and non-hooded or pull-over versions) in addition to Feathered Friends. I came to the conclusion that I feared spending money on custom clothing that wasn't guaranteed to fit. I'm a strange fit, so spending a lot on something I couldn't return was ultimately the deal breaker for me. Nice stuff though.

For this jacket, I wanted something off the shelf because it was a jacket I "might" use backpacking, so I didn't want to go too crazy with spending. Course, that proved futile pretty quickly. I'm just hoping I returned everything in time so it doesn't sit on my credit card.

Your blog has been added to my blogroll.

James Davies said...

Nice review. I'm 6'4" (but only 155 lbs), so I have similar though different fit issues as you. I use the Mont Bell jacket (the ex light version) and love it. As for hooded down jackets, the only one I've tried on and thought fit amazing and was ridiculously warm was the Western Mountaineering Flash. It fit's kinda like the Marmot Zeus jacket in its fit and warmth - it has really long arms and a reasonable length torso. For me it fit like a glove. I have yet to buy it. It seemed to be warmer than the Mont Bell UL jackets based on just trying it on in the store.

Jolly Green Giant said...

@ James Davis - Thanks for stopping by. I'd love to try WM clothing, but none of it is XXL. Glad to hear it works for you. I need to try out the Marmot Zeus. I keep hearing about it from taller people. Maybe worth considering. And "155" (!!!) impressive - NOW EAT SOMETHING!!! I remember playing 155 pound football when I was in 8th grade. It was mostly with juniors and seniors in high school who made it their mission in life to rough me up. I was over 6' at that time and not fat, so it was a bit of a drag trying to get my body to keep up with my mind and get the heck out of the way.

Iván said...

Hi Jolly Green, I have a WM Flight Jacket and Monbell UL down jacket. I´m 6' 5".My wife has another Montbell and a Shaka Plus Down Sweater, this last jacket is great.

She had a problem with the size, she talked with Tom and she said that the XS TNF was well for her.
When the item arrived to home, the size was diferent and she talked again with Tom, he said no problem, you return me the jacket.

Tom improved his jacket and was perfect.
Nunatak has a great after sales service.
Best Regards.

Jolly Green Giant said...

@ Ivan - I'm jealous that you can fit in the WM Flash. I've never heard a bad word about it. I too have a Montbell UL Down Inner, but constantly find it fairly cool. One day I'll probably ask Tom (Nunatak) or Ben (GooseFeet) to make me one. I have a Nunatak quilt and balaclava that are both really well made, but absurdly expensive. Ben seems to do a pretty good job and his prices are better. Maybe I should just quit paying all the money in shipping costs and get one custom-made and quit my griping.

YosemitePam said...

JGJ,

Thanks for the post. I just ordered the GoLite BR on clearance and am a bit curious... it looks as though it is a little longer than a standard puffy (WM Flash or MB UL etc). Did you find this to be correct? Is it a little less "fitted"? If this is the case, unfortunately, it won't work for me...

Thanks!

Jolly Green Giant said...

@ YosemitePam - First, great name. Be happy that you weren't born a Jolly Green Giant. It makes purchasing jackets unfun and naming a backpacking blog even worse.

I would say the sleeves and torso length are indeed longer, more along the lines of standard American styling which differs from folks like Montbell and other Europe or Asian offerings. I would also say it was slightly roomier...slightly.

Hopefully it will work out for you. If not, remember you could always eat and make most of your clothing as tight as you like.

:)

James925 said...

As someone who is almost entirely average in every single way, I'm sorry for your plight. I'm quite surprised that the EB down sweater didn't impress you. I have one and I absolutely love it. The explanation for the fit is that it's designed to fit as an overlayer for mountaineers, not a sleek down sweater for backpackers. It's funny, I'm a climber, and my friends make fun of my for counting ounces, but you backpackers take it to a whole different level. My belay parka is Primaloft and 19.7 oz. (don't have a heart attack). I would suggest the Rab Xenon, which is a 10.4 oz synthetic hooded jacket, but it's made for entirely average people. I think your best bet would be to have Feathered Friends make a perfect down jacket for you. As an aside, I just designed what I thought was the perfect cold weather insulating jacket for my blog. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Here's the link: http://blessedoutdoors.blogspot.com/2012/01/perfect-insulation.html.

My dad is 6'4" and always complains about having to shop for big and tall stuff. I'd shudder to be him and try to buy ultralight. Stay strong :)

Artemis said...

You have my sympathies. I struggle with the diametrically opposite problem - I'm built like a hobbit, short and wide. Very short, and very,very wide. Absolutely no outdoor clothing manufacturers make women's apparel in a size 20 Petite. Half the time I'm shopping in the men's department, where I can at least find a few larger sizes (even if everything has to be shortened by a foot or more).

It would be nice if more manufacturers would recognize that active people actually come in quite a wide range of shapes!

brettpeugh said...

I still like my Montbell XXL Alpine Down Jacket. It might only come to about 6" below my waist but still great in that the sleeves are about 39" long and the chest still has some room above by 48". 6'5", 230#s btw.